Rupert Sheldrake: Cómo el pansiquismo puede explicar la Con[s]ciencia.

A mí es que esto del pansiquismo me parece FAS-CI-NAN-TE, hoygan.

Para muchos el biólogo y bioquímico Rupert Sheldrake es un magufo: ha escrito acerca de la percepción extrasensorial y la telepatía (también con animales).

Creo que fue en el anime Serial Experiments: Lain donde primero supe de su curiosa hipótesis sobre los Campos Mórficos. Por cierto, en Lain también aparecía el gran Douglas Rushkoff, hablando de la Resonancia Schumann.

https://n0sce.com/2019/03/29/douglas-rushkoff-una-de-las-personas-mas-genuinas-a-las-que-he-tenido-el-privilegio-y-el-placer-de-conocer/

En este vídeo recién publicado hace 3 días habla del Pansiquismo como explicación al fenómeno de la Con[s]ciencia.

No seré yo quien opine al respecto, que quasi-doctores tiene la Iglesia… B-)

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Food for thought.

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Cuando la Filosofía alcanza a la Psicodelia. Pansiquismo: Goff en Edge (sólo para híperfrikies).

https://i.imgur.com/MR1RPko.jpg

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¿Os imagináis que

TODO

fuese Consciente?

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Sí, sí, todo todo, TODO…: la piedra es La Piedra, en otras palabras.

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Experiencias psicodélicas al margen, unos que yo me sé ya lo llevan diciendo aeones

…los alquimistas, claro. ¿Qué otra cosa perseguían más que

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Espiritualizar la Materia

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Materializar el Espíritu?

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Pues bien. Resulta que se resulta que hay varios sabores de pansiquismo. El de David Chalmers es uno. El de Thomas Nagel era otro. Veamos el que defiende el contemporáneo Philip Goff:

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Lo acaban de publicar ahora mismito:

A Post-Galilean Paradigm

Philip Goff [9.24.19]

https://www.edge.org/conversation/philip_goff-a-post-galilean-paradigm

Y este es su nuevo libro:

https://i.imgur.com/mQ7cXtw.jpg

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Pues eso.

[y gracias —una vez más— a tito Jasso —cuya privilegiada mente terminará hackeando el problema cuerpo-mente, y si no, ¡al tiempo! 😛 —por descubrirme a este pipiolo.]

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Qüerido tito n0sce: ¿Volverías a ingerir aquella dosis EXTREMA de hongos psicodélicos Copelandia Cyanescens?

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La información aquí suministrada tiene fines exclusivamente educativos. No intentéis esto en casa. O, si lo intentáis, hacedlo bajo la supervisión de un adulto y asumid las posibles consecuencias en vuestros paradigmas en torno a qué es o dejará de ser esa cachonda cosita llamada “Realidad S.A.”. He dicho.

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EXCELENTE pregunta José Carlos, gracias por hacerla.

Respuesta:

¿Incluso aunque hubieran podido ser la causa de mi Trastorno Bipolar [ Hola. Tengo un Trastorno Bipolar. Pregúntame. ] ?

Sí, sí, sí, sí, sí, síiiiiiii y 1.000.000 de veces , lo volvería a hacer.

 

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Si los hongos me regalaron un TB (que no lo sé a Ciencia cierta), también me regalaron

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una Vida.

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[ Hola. Tengo un Trastorno Bipolar. Pregúntame. ]

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¿Soy mejor persona por haber tomado aquellos benditos hongos?

Pues, como todo el mundo —salvo los niños, que son todo LVX —(salvo el https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Petiso_Orejudo 😀 )—, yo tengo mis muchas Luces y también mis muchas Sombras.

Es difícil tomar perspectiva sobre uno mismo, eso lo tendrían que decir los demás, pero a corto plazo, tras el consumo, el ego se te puede hinchar a niveles extremos, pues tú HAS VISTO y los “demás” NO. Tú estás “DESPIERTO” y los pobres “normalitos de pitifuá” NO. En fin, creo que a casi todos los que hemos besado el Cielo nos ha sucedido… Pero, si eres un poco inteligente, creo también que se pasa con el tiempo.

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Sin embargo, ahora que ya han pasado 14 años de aquello sí CREO que puedo decir que me he convertido en mejor persona que antes de tomarlos. ¿Ha sido esto por la evolución que da la misma madurez? Pues quién sabe. Yo opinodeque no.

¿Qué me aportó mi experiencia con hongos?

Para empezar, fue un HOSTIÓN en el Ser y Hacer de proporciones KÓSMICAS.

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Por una parte, un exceso de SENTIDO: todo está bien como está:

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Nada que quitar.

Nada que añadir.

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Y es ese Sentido es lo que nos puede hacer sobrevivir a campos de concentración como Auschwitz… (y si no, que le pregunten a Victor Frankl) o a cositas como el Trastorno Bipolar. Algunos encuentran ese Sentido en un Dios personal.

Yo lo encuentro en la Belleza y en la Bondad. La Verdad me interesa más bien poco [ salvo porque la Belleza sea el Resplandor de la Verdad, claro ]: Mente vacía, Corazón lleno y aquello de ¡Intelectual, aprende a morir!.

 

Durante la experiencia se dio también un exceso de Belleza. En Todo, en Todos, en el Multiverso, en ti, en mí, en una flor, en el tubo de escape de un autobús pasando a mi lado…

Con el paso del tiempo, esa Belleza mutó en Bondad.

 

 

Y también una pérdida del miedo a la muerte (que no al sufrimiento corporal, a eso, el cuerpo no termina de domarlo nunca). Que, como charlaba con Jesús Manuel en un comentario, es de lo que creo que va TODO en el sendero “espiritual”.

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Un PERFECTO y absoluto SÍ A TODO.

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Claro que todavía no me queda ná para llegar a ser Verdaderamente Bueno. A otros les sale de forma natural y espontánea: a mí me cuesta un poco más. Pero ahí vamos.

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¿Le recomendaría una experiencia así a alguien que nunca los haya probado?

Ni recomiendo ni dejo de recomendar: cada uno ha de actuar con RESPONSABILIDAD al respecto. Yo, instantes antes de ingerirlos, me juré a mí mismo que aceptaría las consecuencias de mi acto fuesen éstas las que fuesen.

Hoy es el día en el que percibo la “Realidad S.A.” de forma completamente diferente a como lo hacía antes de la misma. Palabrita de niño medio-weno. Y, a la vez, sigo siendo el mismo.

Sigo siendo El Rey.

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Y mi Palabra es La Ley.

 

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El día que me dio por hackear la ingesta de hongos “mágicos” y multiplicar su potencia por hasta 10 veces más.

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Qüeridos niños y niñas:

La información aquí suministrada tiene fines exclusivamente educativos. No intentéis esto en casa. O, si lo intentáis, hacedlo bajo la supervisión de un adulto y asumid las posibles consecuencias en vuestros paradigmas en torno a qué es o dejará de ser esa cachonda cosita llamada “Realidad S.A.”. He dicho.

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Voy a revelar algo que nadie sabía sobre mí hasta ahora.

trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr redoble de tambores… (va, tampoco es que sea que haya llegado al Secreto Último del Universo —que a lo mejor también 😆 —, pero por hacer la tontería).

Pues nada, que debía de estar yo muy ocioso allá por Noviembre de 2005 (hace casi 14 añitos, sí… 🙄 ) y me dio por himbestigar cómo potenciar la ingesta de los simpáticos hongos “mágicos”.

Tras una exhaustiva research di con que el sirope de grosellas negras, tomado en determinada concentración, podría estar teniendo un efecto de IMAO durante la ingesta, además de que su pH podría estar potenciando la conversión de psilocibina en psilocina.

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EXPLANATION

Background Data
Black Currants are the king of berries with more than twice the antioxidants of blueberries, 4 times the Vitamin C of oranges, more potassium than bananas, and a cache of iron, calcium, magnesium and manganese…

– Psilocybin          – pH 5.2 – http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/psilocybin.html
– Psilocybin breaks down in the body to form Psilocin (the good stuff).
– Psilocin is unstable in solutions, ESPECIALLY alkaline (Base)ones.
– Psilocin is obtained by dephosphorylation (bonding of Phosphate) of psilocybin under strongly acidic or alkaline conditions.
– Acidic foods are retained in the stomach for a longer period than non-acidic foods
– In a solution when the pH is changed to acidic, the alkaloids will dissolve in water in a salt form.

El posible porqué es muchísimo más complejo de explicar que eso, pero si gustáis, ahí tenéis todos los detalles de la

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GUMM1HV4SCA

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(lo escribo así porque no me apetece que Güguel me indexe esta entrada relacionada con el concepto. Vamos, que sois unos privilegiados por saber quién fue el autor de tamaña voladura mental… mwuaahhhaha!).

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GUMM1HV4SCA por los osos Gummi, algo que los más jóvenes del lugar ni siquiera habréis visto. ¡Eso que os perdísteis! 😛

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_osos_Gummi

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Eran unos simpáticos dibujos animados de mis tiempos en los que los osos gummi adquirieron su habilidad para saltar tomando jugo de Gummi-baya. Si el jugo es consumido por humanos, estos obtienen (temporalmente) una fuerza sobrehumana (aunque esto sólo funciona una vez por día) y por ese motivo los osos mantienen la receta en secreto. 😀

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Research

Si sentís curiosidad, aquí se explica todo el research y los métodos a seguir:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4949877/fpart/1/vc/1

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¿Resultados del ejperimento?

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Pues es a lo que vamos, a la parte empírica, si lo que queremos hacer es buena ciencia, ¿verdad?

El equivalente científico al porqué de la GUMM1HV4SCA en este caso puede ser el del Litio, un medicamento que se lleva utilizando como estabilizador del ánimo en el Trastorno Bipolar pero que nadie sabe muy bien porqué funciona: sólo que por puro empirismo, se ha observado que el comportamiento de los sujetos sometidos a esta medicación apunta a que sus estados de ánimo se equilibran. Pues bueno. Pues vale.

En el caso de la GUMM1HV4SCA el resultado es similar: hay un ¿exhaustivo? trabajo de investigación por detrás pero lo que realmente importa es que los reports de los sujetos que lo han tomado son espectaculares en la mayoría de los casos, y en los que no, probablemente la cantidad de sirope de grosella negra ingerida o las circunstancias del sujeto no fuesen las ideales. O sencillamente, que no funciona, claro. Aunque sería muy raro que no funcione a juzgar por lo espectacular de los reports en algunos casos.

Experimentados psiconautas están hablando de un efecto potenciador de hasta ¡5-10 veces más potentes! que tomados sin el sirope de grosellas negras. Y luego también está nuestro pequeño amigo el placebo, of course. 🙂

Bueno, pues sin más dilación, aquí tenéis un resumen de todos los reports del hilo:

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22518069#22518069

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Hi all,

I just registered for this amazing research caught my attention.

As of now, the experiment shows these impressive answers to the main question:

– Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N):

  • YES: 10 people
  • “barely”: 1 person (*this person didn’t take the right amount of juice)
  • No idea, inconclusive results (vomiting reduces potency?): 1 person

 

I’ll copy and paste each form submitted until now:

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Please report like this, for instance:

  • How experienced are you with psychedelics?: I have been tripping on mushrooms for 5 years. Around 20-30 trips. 15 LSD trips.
  • Days since last trip on psychedelics: 8 weeks ago, 1 hit LSD. 6 weeks ago, 4 gr. dry Psilocybe Cubensis
  • Black Currant Juice brand: Really Light Blackcurrant Squash
  • What reads the concentration on the label?: “Product before dilution contains 35% juice.”
  • Juice Quantity: 750 ml. = 25 oz.(if we assume 1 oz. = 30 ml. = 30 cc.)
  • Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis
  • Mushrooms Quantity: 3 gr. dry
  • Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, ate from the same crop twice before.
  • Hours since last meal: 12 h.
  • Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): Yes
  • Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Yes, for 10 minutes, squeezed 1 lemon and 1 lime.
  • Description of effects compared vs. no juice:
  • Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice:
  • Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N):
  • Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 4X-5X
  • Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: 1.5X-2X
  • Estimated total potency: 6X-10X
  • Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 20 mins.
  • Time to onset of visual disturbance: 45 mins.
  • Time to peak (rough estimate): 2 hours
  • Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 5 hours
  • Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours
  • Further comments you might want to add to your experience:

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incubaby_421:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4965103#4965103

yes, it did work that AMAZINGLY WELL…
when i posted wow and the weird bird thing, i proceeded to melt into my computer monitor, wall paper flowers were growing, carpet was turnign into worms, im talking about fear and loathing shit, NEVER in my history of being bemushroomed have i hallucinated like that, NEVER
anyways

Black Currant Juice brand: CurrantC
Juice Quantity: 16 oz.
Mushrooms species: Psylocybe Cubensis
Mushrooms Quantity: 4 gr. dry
Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, ate from the same crop thrice before.
Hours since last meal: 7 h.
Description of effects compared vs. no juice:umm… these are relativly potent shrooms, but, god damn, that was more like 6 hits of acid than an eighth of shrooms
Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: i have never done shrooms with only lemon or lime, but i did this time, plus the juice, id say that 10x would be a pretty accurate multiplication of the effects… at one point in time i went across the dark house to get some rainbow sherbert, the darkness was just one big ass hyallucination… amazing…
Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): yes
Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 4X-5X
Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: 1.5X-2X
Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 45 mins.
Time to onset of visual disturbance: 60 mins.
Time to peak (rough estimate): 4! hours
Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 4 1/4 hours
Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours

i just want to say this is by far the hardest i have ever tripped off of anyhting, newbies BE CAREFULL, i have been there, ive ate ounces that didnt do that much before, this could definitly take someone to a very bad place

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shneck:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5042992#5042992

After reading the amazing Gummihvaska post I became very anxious to try it as soon as possible.
I checked several supermarkets but the only Ribena I could find was the Original with 6% juice content.
Yet, looks like I’ve found a perfect analog – frozen black currant berries from a local Russian food store.
I meshed the berries, mixed them with some Ribena Original to make it more liquid and drank 2 cups. Also, I have taken 2 Aurorix tablets.
Shrooms that I had were in my growbox, but for some reason they were not growing well and withered just after reaching 3-4 cm height. I picked all of them and their weight combined to 27g.
Not much, especially taking into account their miserable looks.
I mixed the shrooms in a mixer with 2 cups of lemon and grapefruit juice and left them to stay.
1 hour after taking the black currant juice and Aurorix I drank 1 cup of the shroom juice, leaving the second one to take later if needed.
That was the WISEST thing I could do.

Black currant works, that is for sure.
I have tried shrooms with lemon/lime juice, with harmala, aurorix, passionflower extract, etc.
This time it was like never before. I was swept, trampled, smashed and humiliated. I am terrified with a thought that I could take 2 cups at once. That was a real near and beyond death experience, both spiritually and physically.
Yes, black currant works. But people, DO BE CAREFUL.
I’ll post the trip details in a couple of days, I still sweat cold when recalling it.
Here is the technical description:
– How experienced are you with psychedelics?: I have been tripping on mushrooms for 2 years – 20-30? trips. 2 LSD trips. 20-30 Salvia experiences (plain leaf?5x-10x-20x). Ololiuqui seeds ? 10 seeds just once. 2 Iboga powder trips (8g, 20g). Lots of herbal psychoactive experiments. Hash ? hundreds of times. Cannabis drunk and eaten ? hundreds of times. When I was younger I tried everything that was available: barbiturates, opium smoked/eaten/intravenuously, acetone inhalations and lots of other bullshit. I?m a proud pot smoker for roughly 24 years.
– Days since last trip on psychedelics: 5 weeks ago – Ps.cub 3g dry + 3g Syrian rue; 4 weeks ago – 20g iboga powder; 2 weeks ago – 3g Syrian rue + 10g MHRB
– Black Currant Juice brand: about 200-250g fresh (frozen) berries mixed with 1 cup of Ribena Original (6%) – – Juice Quantity: 400-450 g
– Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis homegrown
– Mushrooms Quantity: appr. 14 gr. fresh
– Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): No, my first crop.
– Hours since last meal: 24 h.
– Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): No, mixed in a blender with lemon and grapefruit juice
– Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Yes, for 30 minutes, 250ml pure lemon juice + 200ml grapefruit juice.
– Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): ABSOLUTELY
– Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 4X-5X
– Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: 3X-4X
– Estimated total potency: 6X-10X?
– Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 10 mins.
– Time to onset of visual disturbance: 15-20 mins.
– Time to peak (rough estimate): 2-4 hours
– Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 6 hours
– Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 12 hours

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Fospher:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5128210#5128210

Ok, I just tried this experiment following the procedure close as possible, without the results that I’ve read here about. Definetly not 8 or 10x, maybe .5x booster.


Black Currant Juice brand: ‘Looza’ Blackcurrant nectar
All natural ingredients, no preservatives
Sold in US
retailer: Michael’s Organic Market
30% juice, Drank a liter each with 2 other trippers (833.3mL is the dose with 30%).

the one in middle

Juice Quantity: 1L
Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis
Mushrooms Quantity: 1.6 gr. dry
Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, potent stuff.
Hours since last meal: 7 h.
Description of effects compared vs. no juice: I could tell the difference between that and just the ‘lemon juiced’ trip, but not much trip amplitude difference.
Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: See above.
Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): Barely.
Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: ~ .5x
Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: ^^
Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 15 mins. Kicked in in a snap. Me, and two other trippers doing the same thing as me tripped hardest during the first hour. So we peaked right away, and then went on on a downward slope of ‘shroomage’. Haha.
Time to onset of visual disturbance: 15 mins.
Time to peak (rough estimate): ~ 25 minutes.
Time to first sign of diminishing effects: Hard to tell, maybe 5 hours in?
Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours, but I was at an EDM party, and the music always keeps me going.


I dont know why this didnt work as well as everyone else said it did. I didnt eat a thing all day, and neither did the other 2 trippers. Definetly tripped harder than Lemon/Lime trip, but not that big of a difference.

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Forkbender:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5138440#5138440

mkay. You’ll might be right. I guess I overstated. I was already coming down a little, though. I think it was a level 4 in retrospect, which is amazing all in itself for a gram and a half. There was no “I” for about an hour prior to the message I posted, there was no “I” who typed, but this ocean of mindfulness in which I was emerged still could move my body around with a lot of trouble. It took about 10 minutes to write the above two lines.
Anyways, here’s the questionair:

  • How experienced are you with psychedelics?: Been tripping for 3 years now, only for spiritual development. Shrooms 10x plus a bunch of one-timers: ayahuasca, morning glory, salvia and MDMA.
  • Days since last trip on psychedelics: 2 weeks ago, MDMA. 6 weeks ago, Salvia. 8 weeks ago, morning glory..
  • Black Currant Juice brand: Natufood 100% pure Black Currant Juice
  • What reads the concentration on the label?: 100%
  • Juice Quantity: 275 ml as prescribed. I diluted most of it with about 50 ml of water, because the first gulp hurt the back of my throat.
  • Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis
  • Mushrooms Quantity: 1.5 gr. dry
  • Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): No, just bought them a week ago.
  • Hours since last meal: 16 h.
  • Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): I don’t have a grinder, cut the up real fine with a big knife.
  • Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Yes, for 10 minutes, squeezed 1 lemon and a half.
  • Description of effects compared vs. no juice: Stronger, faster, deeper
  • Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: No experience with just lemon/lime
  • Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): Yes, level 4 with just a gram and a half.
  • Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: –
  • Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: –
  • Estimated total potency: 5x (?)
  • Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 20 mins.
  • Time to onset of visual disturbance: 30 mins.
  • Time to peak (rough estimate): 1 hour (!)
  • Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 5 hours
  • Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 8 hours
  • Further comments you might want to add to your experience: It was really hard integrating the experience. Got a big headache the day after, because I forgot to drink for the first four hours (I was gone). It was my first trip all by myself, felt great. I talked a lot to myself though, sounded like upanishads to me. The love of seeing the interplay between being and becoming, seeing that it’s all the same was pretty gorgeous. It was during the daytime, which anoyed me a bit, so next time I’ll prefer the dark. Next time is gonna be a couple of months away. Had enough for a while.

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ayjay101:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5184450#5184450

I performed this experiment on Friday night:

23:00 The calculated amount of 550g of Bickford’s Gold (50%) Blackcurrant juice syrup (undiluted) was ingested.

23:45 1.1g of potent Golden Teacher cubensis was soaked in the juice of 1 lemon and 1 lime with occasional stirring/shaking.

0:00 The lemon/lime/mush mix was consumed and ‘Silent darkness’ conditions were observed while awaiting the effects.

0:30 Typical increase of thoughts and intensity of imagination, feelings of being with company, internal sounds, music, conversations etc

0:50 Nausea building to the point of vomiting. The majority of the Blackcurrant juice syrup was expelled, and probably some of the mushroom.

0:55 Typical low to medium does effects: internal music, humourous characters and situations, carnival like atmosphere. Occasional glimpses of a deeper tryptamine visions, but able to control these myself before they become to overwhelming. Darkness was filled with light and colourful hallicination.

1:40 Experience subsides dramatically within 5 minutes. Body load remains, with stimulant like mental effects. Able to do normal activites till I become tired enough to sleep.

4:00 Sleep.

Comments: I was expecting a 5g experience from my 1.1g, ended up with about a 2.5g experience. Unfortunately, due to vomiting the syrup, this test is inconclusive whether anything greater than 2.5X is possible.
It was an ordeal to consume that much syrup and at the time it felt like a foolish thing to do. Pure fresh juice would be much better. I don’t think I will do this again – if I want a deeper experience, I will take more mushrooms or even use Syrian Rue, which has not caused me any problems in the past, and felt rather nice too. However, I will try the lemon/lime thing again, as it may boost potency, but it also masks the taste reasonably well.

I also want to say that I’ve never felt the need to make mushrooms stronger than they already are, and believe it is unnecessary. Just wanted to contribute to this development, and see for myself.

Black Currant Juice brand: Bickford’s Gold (50%)
Juice Quantity: 550g
Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis (Golden Teacher)
Mushrooms Quantity: 1.1 gr. dry
Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, good potency.
Hours since last meal: 9 h.
Description of effects compared vs. no juice: seemed to be deeper, for a shorter time
Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: N/A
Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): Yes. (even though vomiting probably made it weaker)
Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 2X – 2.5X (but vomited!)
Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: N/A
Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 50 mins.
Time to onset of visual disturbance: 60 mins.
Time to peak (rough estimate): 70 mins
Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 95 mins
Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 4 hrs

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Edgekrusher:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5199939#5199939

  • Black Currant Juice brand: Ribena Concentrate 22%
  • Juice Quantity: 500ml.
  • Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis (B+)
  • Mushrooms Quantity: 1.5 gr. dry
  • Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, ate from the same crop twice before. Quite potent.
  • Hours since last meal: 20 h.
  • Description of effects compared vs. no juice: a tad bit stronger
  • Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: Stronger
  • Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): yes
  • Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 1.5X
  • Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: 1.5X
  • Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): right after drinking syrup (that shit is nasty).
  • Time to onset of visual disturbance: 2 hours.
  • Time to peak (rough estimate): 2 hours
  • Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 4 hours
  • Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours

All I can say is it wasn’t worth it. I’d rather have just waited till I had more shrooms on hand. The stomach full of syrup sucks. I did it 4 hours ago and didn’t have much other than a head buzz that I still have. I’m still stick over the 20hr empty stomach full of this gunk… uhg. Eff this method.

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goldenapple:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5713034#5713034

How experienced are you with psychedelics?: been exploring for over ten years
– Days since last trip on psychedelics: last night i smoked some dmt
– Black Currant Juice brand: Looza
– What reads the concentration on the label?: 30%
– Juice Quantity: 1L
– Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis B+ Outside grow
– Mushrooms Quantity: .3 gr dry, 9 gr fresh
– Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): No. First two mushrooms to come up.
– Hours since last meal: 8 h.
– Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): Ground them, but not to a fine powder
– Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Yes, 20 minutes with two lemons
– Description of effects compared vs. no juice:
– Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice:
– Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): Y, unless those were some crazy mushys growing
– Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 4X-5X
– Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: Haven’t tried with just juice
– Estimated total potency:
– Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 20 mins.
– Time to onset of visual disturbance: 30 mins.
– Time to peak (rough estimate): 2.5 hours
– Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 5 hours
– Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours
– Further comments you might want to add to your experience: Crazy Crazy Night. Super intense visuals. Great mind work. The visuals were up there with 7 to 8 grams, while the mind fuck was below 3. I had decided to go to the grocery to get some broccoli. once inside everyone looked the same with these fat round faces which kinda freaked me out. I was by myself with lots of talking and laughing. quite fun, although at times i was very sad. over all some great mind work and totally amazing visuals. heavy animal and insect motif. mushrooms usually bring out insects for me, various roaches and bugs with long legs but this time included large cats and snakes. quite crazy. One thing that really surprised me were the ‘real’ cats i was around. usually they are very affectionate, and while on in psy land they are pretty crazy and all over me, although tonight they were running away…not sure what vibes i was putting off. i spent a long time moving in circles, both with my thoughts and physical movements. i found it very hard to figure out what to do with my self, with is very different from most experiences. over all seemed to have a bit more of a negative vibe to it. not sure if this is due to the maoi or not. i picked two more mushys today, 14gr. will try this with just juice and see where i go (i know a lot of this can simply be set and setting too)…over all much more than i expected. and longer than i expected. seemed to last longer than just straight mushrooms…

i was certainly feeling information overload, and out of curiosity put that into google and laughed for quite a while with all the books that came up. i was quite amused by that. i went back and forth between simulis and no stimulus. i was rather sensitive and could only deal with something for a few minutes and then would need to change what i was doing. at times it felt a bit like a fever…weird.

when i was out in the world i felt very happy and excited for everyone around me, enjoying a beautiful summers night. at this point i was listening to ween as the stallion part two ended and i was on top of the world, totaly crazy, laughing talking to myself. then the new flaming lips album came on. it was good at first, but soon became much too heavy. at this point my feelings towards people changed and i just wanted to get away from everyone. but it was a saturday night in a big city and people were everywhere. i made it back home rather freaked out unable to really acomplish much of anything. i was rather paranoid and felt i must clean and orginize which didn’t go well at all. finally i decided to take a shower and this is where things got even weirder. i was washing my face and as i closed my eyes and my hands went over my eyes the world vanished. sound went away. no appearnce of light coming through my eyes and very intense visuals. it was very amazing, but i started to worry about doing this while standing in the shower so i made my way to the bed which only took about 25 mintues to put sheets on…lol…

there i was able to relax finally. i listened to a little grateful dead which was very soothing…i shut off the music after a while and this is where i started seeing the cats coming after me. there were red and green lights around the dark apartment from smoke detectors and dvd players, stereos, etc. these began darting back and forth and rushing towards me. at this point it reminded me very much of a 7 to 8 gram experience. i knew i could let them over take me or not look at the lights. i probably should have let them overtake me but i decided to block the light :smile:

wow, this is really out of order…

anyway, wonderful experience. not too scary although had the potential. wouldn’t want to take too much more than i did.

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DivinePsychosis:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6194041#6194041

  • How experienced are you with psychedelics?:10 or 11 4 or 5 gram trips with homegrown mush.Slight experience with SD.Frequent use of marijuana,and very limited experience with LSA.
  • Days since last trip on psychedelics: Around 3 months, with 4 or 5 grams of dried cubensis.Marijuana smoked regularily and recently.
  • Black Currant Juice brand: Ribena Original
  • What reads the concentration on the label?: “no dilution ratio included on the label.Makes 5 times its volume.”
  • Juice Quantity: 210 ml. = 7 oz.
  • Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis
  • Mushrooms Quantity: 1.2 gr. dry
  • Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): No, First sample of recently harvested batch.
  • Hours since last meal: 8 h.
  • Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): No.Mushrooms were cut and chipped into small pieces manually.
  • Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Yes, for 20 minutes, squeezed 2 fresh lemons.
  • Description of effects compared vs. no juice:
  • Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice:
  • Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N):99% sure.
  • Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 3X-4X
  • Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice:
  • Estimated total potency:5X
  • Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 15-20 mins.
  • Time to onset of visual disturbance: 50 mins to an hour.
  • Time to peak (rough estimate): 2 hours
  • Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 4 hours
  • Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 6 hours
  • Further comments you might want to add to your experience:I just want to say the experience I had last night was my most powerful.I’ve always dosed with higher amounts,usually around 4 grams dry and have just barely reached the point of introspection and revelation I had last night.I’ve also tooken lower doses before,around 2.5 grams and have had slightly milder but still quite powerful trips.I’m quite sure I wouldn’t have had such a powerful experience off of as little as 1.2 grams if it weren’t for the blackcurrent juice and lemon soaked shrooms.When effects started coming on I was sure it was going to go the full way.I was sitting on my futon in my room when my thoughts started speeding up and the answers to issues of interest I had previously not fully understood became revealed with the utmost clarity.Life no longer seemed so machine like and trivialized as I let myself go and drift into the psychedelic experience.There was no longer a need to understand things from a lingustic viewpoint as I realized experience was the ultimate reaffirment with which to base my life,beliefs,and ideals.A little while after my thoughts had sped up I strangely enough felt as though the experience was dying down before it had truly reached its peak.I felt quite upset that the experience didn’t deliver what it seemed to be building up to,was it dying down already?

I proceeded to load some homegrown bud into my glasswork pipe and began taking hits as I thought the shrooms were dying down,it turns out I was wrong.After smoking the marijuana I almost instantly felt the power of the mushroom sweep over me and carry me away.Usually when I smoke marijuana while on shrooms it ruins the beauty and visuals and sends me down more of a zany thought pattern,this wasn’t the case this time around.The marijuana seemed to send me hurling into mushroom land instead of lending any effects of its own to the experience.

What followed after smoking the marijuana can’t be described with any feeble language system implemented in everyday life.From what I can remember the peak of the experience started with heavy introspection into the meaning of reality at large.The answers to reality and the cosmic joke were revealed to me through extremely precise and affirming visuals aswell as through thought alone.I realized time was never part of any cosmic process and that it was but a mere illusion programmed into our minds from birth by modern society.Time is infact just a flimsy system of numbers used to guide modern society through the chaos of the everexpansive universe.Every moment is indeed present within every other moment.I understood the past and the now are infact one in the same and only seem to be seperate from one another through the universal syntax ever refining and redefining itself to bring forth new novelty into our dimension.In short I understood that the now was really just the past taking on a new variation of itself.

After spending a good while lying down on my futon in silent darkness I had to go to the washroom.I then proceeded to walk up the stairs out of my bedroom and towards the washroom near the kitchen,and it was at this point that the trip started to make a transition from the introspective to the artistic.As I was walking up the stairs everything was paled and hidden from view by the darkness,and all I could see were beautiful fractal patterns bursting to life and dazzling my eyes.When I reached the main floor of my house there was light shining into my living room from the full moon through the open windows surrounding the living room.I looked around amazed at the celestial beauty the living room had taken on and observed how my surroundings came to life as if I was standing in the middle of a 3d beautiful mosaic picture.

After I had took in the beauty of my surroundings I continued on my way to the bathroom.I had noticed while walking to and from the bathroom that everything around me was indescribably beautiful in the psychedelic state I was in.

When I made my way back to my room I lay back down on my futon and entered back into another train of thought that eventually revealed itself in a series of smooth flawlessly enchanting visuals.This last series of visuals was to do with visionary art and how the physical world is slowly changing and being influenced by the psychedelic community to better encompass and make the psychedelic landscape manifest itself into reality permanatley.I got the sense that what the mushroom was portraying to me through this particular set of visuals was that we as a human species are heading into the realm of the imagination,and the physical world bound by elements and scientific law isn’t our true home.

After the last visual sensation manifested the experience died down slowly and gradually everything returned back to normal.

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myshroomyhead:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9567701#9567701

Black Currant Juice brand: Kumpf (from Germany)
Juice Quantity: ~1 liter 35%
Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis PES Hawaiian
Mushrooms Quantity: about 10 g wet
Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes
Hours since last meal: 8 h
Description of effects compared vs. no juice: Mild Hallucinating, insight. ratio 3 to 1 needed for about the same trip-level.
Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): Yes, absolutely
Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 2x – 3x
Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 30 mins.
Time to onset of visual disturbance: 45 mins.
Time to peak (rough estimate): 2-3 hours
Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 4-5 hours later

For all the people who don’t believe black currant juice acts as a MAO-inhibitor, here the proof!
Some scientists from Germany found out, that this plant indeed contains MAO-inhibitors.

“The black currant concentrate effects a 61% inhibition of MAO Type B, and an 37% inhibition of MAO Type A” [Page 7, Line 23-24]
In Humans: “MAO Type B activity is inhibited in all three subjects with dependency on dosage and time. Maximum inhibition is obtained 60 minutes after application, and is between 70 and 90% at optimum dosage of 20 grams.”

quoted from this ebook

I wish you all happy experimenting with this wonderful juice.
I will continue using it, to intensify my experience.

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58hdpan:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12149737#12149737

  • How experienced are you with psychedelics?: 5 years (mush and LSD)
  • Days since last trip on psychedelics: 5 days
  • Black Currant Juice brand: currant affair
  • What reads the concentration on the label?: ? I would say pure juice
  • Juice Quantity: 2 pints
  • Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis treasure coast
  • Mushrooms Quantity: 6 gram dry
  • Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): yes (medium potency)
  • Hours since last meal: 8 hr
  • Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): no
  • Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Yes, 15 min lemon juice only
  • Description of effects compared vs. no juice:
  • Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice:
  • Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): YES YES YES
  • Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 2x at least
  • Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: Haven’t tried with just juice
  • Estimated total potency: 2 times at least
  • Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, some thing’s definitely going to happen”): 30 min
  • Time to onset of visual disturbance: 1 1/2 hr
  • Time to peak (rough estimate): 2 hr
  • Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 5 hours
  • Time to baseline (indiscernible effects): 7 hours
  • Further comments you might want to add to your experience: I know this is an old thread, but this was a good experiment. And I will say I don’t believe the juice is any kind of an MAOI BUT!!!! their is defiantly an increase in potency in a big way. This experiment was done 3 veteran trippers and myself and all of us agree that this method WORKS. also I took the same dosage of 6gr 5 days early-er so as to get a grasp on weather on not there was an increase in potency and I will say their was a big difference about 2x more potent. also I will say that bubble gummers stay the fuck away for this method. this is ONLY for people that can handle their trip. for the 5 years I’ve been tripping with all that I’ve dome(LSD included) this method is in my top 3 strongest trips I’ve ever had. :eek:

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seamus:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14452395#14452395

Finished my experiment last night.

I know I haven’t been on here much… i’m just busy with life, ya know.

first, I got a bottle of Ribena black currant concentrate, only the 23% stuff, so I drank the whole liter (god that was too sweet!)

Then, near the end of an hour wait, I soaked my less than 5 grams of powdered mushrooms in RealLemon lemon juice.

I downed it and washed it down with just a little water (lemon juice eats tooth enamel).

T+20 I notice the first signs of coming up
T+30 I turn off my computer and head to my bedroom. I put my glasses in the bathroom on a safe shelf (I’m always worried my glasses might get damaged during a trip, since it’s happened to me before). Before I could walk the 5 feet into the bedroom, I was launched.
T+0:40-4:30 I lost sense of time. My guilt about past deeds overwhelmed me. I felt as if an audience was watching me. I felt like I broke Life, and there was no fixing it. I didn’t care, because for a while I felt free. I felt like a cat-natured being, being asked to quack instead of meow. It was hilarious.

Then, I could see the matrix that life was made of, operating as a huge, unthinking machine designed by intelligence greater than I could conceive of. I disengaged myself from the machine and sat still for a while.

At some point, I felt as if all the joy had gone out of life. My deeds of the past were revealed to me as my one chance at happiness, and I had blown it completely. I had disrespected everyone, and been selfish and arrogant. I was SO FUCKING SORRY for everything I had done and had failed to do. All I had left was my sorrow for the loss of what might have been. I was so disgusted with myself that I vomited. (oddly, no mushrooms or juice came up). I wallowed in misery for a while until I felt I could forgive myself. I came down pretty fast. When I was back in my right mind for the most part, I looked at the clock. It was only 2:30AM! only 6 hours? It felt like I had been gone for weeks!

This trip was COMPLETELY bigger than any other I have ever had. Bigger than the 13 hits of good acid and an eighth of shrooms at Alpine Valley in 1989. Much shorter duration, though, thank God! I would say it was at LEAST double what I expected. I have eaten quarter-ounces before and not gotten half this high. I’m such a glutton for punishment. It was more than 10x what this dose would have done with no juice.

at the end of it, All i can say is: I love existence, even when it hurts.

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Ishibubu:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14958817#14958817

Alright well my buddy reported back to me and reads as follows:

So me and two friends (my buddy and his girl) all dosed and tried out this experiment. We figured the best time to do this was at a concert (I later realized it was hard to compare to past experiences etc having never dosed at a concert). Basically how it went was 5 people were involved; the first three originally mentioned including myself ate ~3.5-3.6g of dried Cubensis (Australian Tasmanians to be specific). After weighing these however the cup we used had massive amounts of powder (kind of like keif) , so I put that into some Simply Lemonade (100% juice) and it sat in there and got warm for a good 4-5 hour. The other two people at lower doses of unknown proportions ~1.8g so we won’t focus on them.

My experience is a little confusing, my two friends were basically my control (which may not be a good idea seeing as everyone reacts differently but I tend to have a higher tolerance for pyschs than many of my friends do: AKA less likely to freak out etc.) I found some Black Currant juice (100% concentrate), 15g of sugar… tasted like Merlot minus the alcohol, fucking horrific and definitely not sweet like everyone said (then again most were drinking 30% juice which I found as well but didn’t seem like it would be nearly as good as pure juice). So I figured I had everything I needed to try this experiment, seeing as everyone is trying this + lemon tek I figured I’d do just this. Some background info: I hadn’t ate since 3:30 the morning of, my friends at ~12:00.

So anyway, prior to the concert around 6:00 I start drinking the juice, I continued to down a good ~20ozs of this pure juice (far more than many people I have read took of even 30% juice). I stopped drinking around 6:30 (took a while to get down, was not tasty and wasn’t the first thing my stomach wanted introduced to it). Keep in mind I hadn’t drank any water or really anything that day for total worry of PH levels etc. My friends however weren’t concerned at all. Well we get to the show, and at around 7:40 we start eating them, first person to finish did so around 7:42, however I was having a lot of trouble downing these (I usually do and I’ll get to that later). There was one occasion towards the end I threw up a little in my mouth but quickly swallowed it back down, I finished my final cap (.5g) at 7:45, we each chased it with Simply Lemonade (the couple shared one while I had one to myself filled with the powder). Not even within 30 minutes we are all starting to feel the effects, they feel fine however I am in pain. While we were downing them I was the only one to have trouble, towards the end and when I almost threw up I began overheating quite badly to the point I had to take off my hat and shirt to try to cool down. This is totally unusual for me, I mean yes mushies ALWAYS make me uncomfortable for the most part but its only during the come up but boy was I feeling ODDD. I’m talking a constant fear of throwing up, holding my stomach, hot flashes, totally not a comfortable come up. I’ve fasted plenty of times, usually around the same time considering I eat before I sleep and then when I wake up I usually don’t eat that whole day (I’m superstitious about not getting the full potential out of my trip).

So for the first 30 minutes and until the next hour that the band came on I kept telling myself “Just 10 more minutes and I’ll feel better” however those 10 minutes continued for the next hour or so. An hour after we at the mushies the band takes stage and rallies the troops, it was like a calling, I thought I was finally about to be okay (and for the most part I was). However my stomach was still killing me, but from the first 30 minutes on visuals started to kick in and I’d say a body high but I was so concerned about my stomach being FUCKED up. So far my friends seem to be on the same clock as me, no difference in come up time or anything. They however aren’t having these problems I am. Either way the band gets through the first 3 songs or so, I’m doing my best at dancing and just vibing and ignoring my stomach. Well my stomach was pissed off at this notion because when I started getting really heavy into my vibe after a song I really enjoyed I was contorted to the fetal position. I began to overheat again, I got extremely hot and I was already shirtless so I pored some water over me which didn’t seem like a great idea after the fact. Well at this time I also had just lit a cigarette and certain puffs would trigger my gag reflex. Well basically I throw the cig to get that badness away from me and I start to feel like I’m going to vomit, I try to hold it back but my body heat overwhelmed me and I purged. I have ate mushrooms 30+ times and more than this as well and have NEVER been bothered this much by them. I say purged because obviously all that was in my stomach was mushrooms, blackcurrant, and lemonade. Basically I felt like I drank juice and threw up a grape vine, very odd experience but my puke looked like straight blackcurrant juice, it even stained the grass… from then on I felt a lot better, my stomach was still fucked up a little and every burp worried me. The whole night I was craving water like no other (this never happens). During all this my friends girl is going in and out from sitting down and standing up, they aren’t dancing like I am, just standing and kinda moving a little, however I felt we were on the same page. The show lasted about 2.5 hrs and I thought it ended like 5 times (we all did) we lost total track of time, I was thinking it was like 5am and the show was going to go on forever. I was actually amazed my visuals stayed about the same the whole time (there was a part about two hours in (after the purge) that my face straight up tingled at my cheekbones, crazy feeling. Either way, concert ended we had a wonderful time and my buddy and I were waiting on his girl to get out the restroom, when me and my buddy were standing there I was realizing how hard I was still going, visuals seemed good and peoples movement seemed very fast. Car ride back (we weren’t driving) was nuts, I realized it had only been 3 hours so I was excited to continue my trip at home with my friends.

Well we get back to the house and some buddies we were there with came back via cab. One of my good friends was wasted and drops my laptop as I’m chillin in a chair, well my trip was shot from there. Not even 3 hours in almost everything goes away visuals, body high, everything besides my brain haha (which is another topic). Well either way I settle myself after my buddy breaks my laptop and I decide not to let him feel bad, so I get a j of some fake bud and smoke it with him (didn’t help with my trip at all, I actually consumed copious amounts which I don’t think I’d usually be able to handle sober). Well the three of us finally get alone and able to disuss what’s going on, I’m explaining my experience to my friends and they are baffled how I am so verbal. Which brings me to my “brain”: the whole night I was sober headed, completely clear. I was thinking to myself just as I normally would think unlike usually when I have “tripping” thoughts with doses like these. I’m not sure if I liked it or not but I kind of attributed it to the mindset I have developed towards life. Either way, it seems I may have tripped a little harder than my friends (they didn’t see what I saw closed eyed etc.) my friends girl however was basically incoherent at the concert and admitted it (hence the whole sitting down a lot thing). I attributed this from her lack of experience (tripping less than 10 times to my close to 100).

So not too sure what I think about this juice, I had a blast but I may have tripped a little harder because I kept putting mushroom powder in my lemonade (you could see the grains). They seemed to pretty much be on the same level as me, came down about the same time as far as I’m concerned ( the girl was saying she could drive when I was still having breathing effects and the road looked pretty weird so IDK what that’s about, maybe she was just adjusted? But we all were. I’m pretty sure I could attribute my little boost from the powder in my drink, because I certainly wasn’t on another level than them as most suggest I should have been. I’m glad I ate the 3.5 instead of a lower dose like some suggest of I would have been VERY disappointed.

If anyone has tips on my experience please chime in.

  • How experienced are you with psychedelics?: Pretty good
  • Days since last trip on psychedelics: Months(~6-7)
  • Black Currant Juice brand: RB something or other
  • What reads the concentration on the label?: 100%
  • Juice Quantity: ~20oz
  • Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis (Australian Tasmanian)
  • Mushrooms Quantity: 3.5g dry
  • Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): No
  • Hours since last meal: 16-17
  • Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): No
  • Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Well some powder in Simply Lemonade
  • Description of effects compared vs. no juice: Couldn’t say but from my friends I said almost none (aside from the fact that I was sketched out to eat and drink anything but water)
  • Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: N/A
  • Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): No idea, inconclusive results (vomiting reduces potency?)
  • Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: IDK
  • Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: N/A
  • Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 30min
  • Time to onset of visual disturbance: 60 mins.
  • Time to peak (rough estimate): Hard to say, I guess around the time I purged so ~1.5 to 2hrs in
  • Time to first sign of diminishing effects: Most was killed around 12 (~4hrs in, even though pre laptop I thought my visuals were pretty good). So I wonder if that never happened if I would have continued having good visuals.
  • Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 5-6hrs, for the most part there was an afterglow, the light underneath the porch gave an on top of the world feeling and I was definitely goofy until about 2-3am (6-7hrs later).

Well there you have it, not sure what to think. I certainly wasn’t on a whole nother level as my friends.

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noobie718:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22398838#22398838

  • How experienced are you with psychedelics?: +20 trips
  • Days since last trip on psychedelics:1
  • Black Currant Juice brand: R.W. Knudsen
  • What reads the concentration on the label?: 100% concentrate
  • Juice Quantity: 16 oz.
  • Mushrooms species: Psilocybe Cubensis
  • Mushrooms Quantity: 20 gr. wet
  • Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes Hours since last meal: 7 h.
  • Did you put your mushrooms in a coffee grinder for a while until you got a fine powder? (Y/N): N
  • Did you soak the mushrooms in lemon/lime or BC juice as in STEP 5? (Y/N): Y
  • Description of effects compared vs. no juice: I literally had the most intense and fucked up trip of my life 10 fucking times normal
  • Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: very bad experience very heavy visuals I was cool when I thought I was peaking happy minor visuals ceiling was blending, very enjoyable then the stomach pain fucked me up, went to the bedroom and turned on the TV very bad fucking mistake, I kept getting more fucked up, the faces and people on the TV were fucking me up it was like I was picking up on their vibes and they were melting and warping, my thoughts went negative and I was seeing and analyzing my life in a bad way, paranoia set in and the sickness peaked I ran to my garage and fucking sprayed vomit on the floor, then the floor started dipping and twisting like one of those fun houses at a shitty amusement park and the walls were breathing, I made my way to the couch and found relief from the stomach pain by laying on my back, finally I reached peak and was praying to what ever was there to please let me come down, there are really no words for it
  • Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): fucking hell yes
    – Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 10x
  • Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: 5X
  • Time to “first alert” (aka, “whoa, something’s definitely going to happen”): 60 mins.
  • Time to onset of visual disturbance: 60 mins.
  • Time to peak (rough estimate): 4!!! hours
  • Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 6 hours
  • Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): I passed out
  • Further comments be very fucking carful with this shit right here!! its no joke!!!!!!!!

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Another report, taken from: https://mycotopia.net/topic/4131-gummihuasca-experiment-black-currant-juice-lemon-juice/page-2#entry122071

This was conducted last night.

Species: P. cubensis (unknown strain)

Quantity: 1/3 gram (bone dry unopened ‘bullet’)

Last meal: burrito 4 hours before

Last trip: .5 dry gram in honey-Ginkgo mix 11 days before

Preparation: Took 1 lemon and 1/2 lime (both fresh) juiced at room temp. 1/3 gram mushroom chopped in coffee grinder until medium-fine flaky powder. Soaked ground mushroom in 3/4 OZ of juice mix for 18 minutes at room temp.

Ingestion: Held juice in mouth for two full minutes to test theory about quicker sublingual absorption. Good thing mouth wasn’t full as juice stimulated salivary glands; by 2 minutes mouth was full and had to swallow. See “Problems and Concerns” below.

First Alert: (all times listed are from moment introduced to mouth, including 2 minute soak) +5min 30 sec. At this time I noticed the usual spine-tingle of impending trip, although I suspect a placebo effect.

+7min: body waves felt (subtle but distinct), pupils dilated 1mm diameter from baseline. I think this might be the actual first alert.
+7 to +18min: no perceptible change from +7
+18min: body feels slightly separate from mind
+23min: very body-conscious
+24min: tingly feeling all over
+28min: stomach gurgling
+30min: intensification steadily rising
+33min: smoked bowl of Jack Herer (2 bong hits) and started watching a movie

+57min: WHOA! RAPID step-up of effects to new level. Wavy visuals, excellent color rendering, introspective moments of extreme clarity and hilarity. Would NOT consider answering the phone, dealing with an emergency would be difficult. This is a THIRD of a gram?!?

+2hr 0min: Rapid step-down of effects as startling as the upswing at +57. Distinctly felt a ‘let go’ of peak effects, although colors are still soft-edged and vivid. This was noticed at EXACTLY 2 hours on the dot. Massive munchy attack, after which stomach felt great.

+3hr 22min: Quick energy drop, suddenly very tired like the comedown from an adrenaline rush. It is now 10:40pm and I’m finished. I could easily fall asleep if I desire. Incredible.

+4hr 6min: Completely back to baseline.

I couldn’t believe I was writing a trip report like this off a THIRD of a gram. I normally dose low most of the time (the .5 to 1 gram amounts mixed with Ginkgo biloba in honey), but mine are grown on BRF, wheat grain, and cracked corn (all mixed in one substrate) and are considered by many to be quite strong. This is a functional level for me (eat and go cycling, for example). Twice a year I eat 5+ grams for the mental steam-cleaning. One impression I was left with was that the lemon mix cannot be compared to straight dry. There is a qualitative difference in the experience, probably due to the rapidity. 1/3 gram in lemon is NOT equivalent to .6 or 1 dry gram; it’s more vivid than 1/3 straight dry but not the same as some other higher dry dose.

PROBLEMS and CONCERNS:

Grinding that small a quantity was difficult, had to scrape pieces off walls of grinder. Would prefer to have ground the mushroom to a finer powder, some no doubt was lost as unrecoverable dust stuck to the grinder.

After swallowing the juice held for 2 min., I brushed my teeth. OUCH!! My gumline was extremely sensitive. My teeth were whiter. Some sensitivity was still noticed following morning. Did some research, this is what I found:

“Tooth Enamel: What is it?
The outside surface of our teeth, the enamel, is composed of an inorganic matrix predominately filled with calcium salts. Inside our teeth is another layer called the dentin. It is composed of approximately 28%organic matter and 72% inorganic (calcium).

Citric Acid Bath
So what happens when we bathe our teeth in an acid bath, such as citric acid from lemons or carbonic acid from soda? The inorganic calcium salts are dissolved. The tooth becomes decalcified leaving a soft organic matrix that can be easily abraded away or invaded by bacteria and hence decayed. A typical individual who has habitually been sucking on lemons will have lost the enamel on the front of their teeth and perhaps even display acid erosion on the biting surfaces of their back teeth. Drinking large quantities of soda will also cause a generalized decalcification of the teeth.”

And, “Instructions: I would just like to say that Vitamin C will damage teeth quicker than anything else. So brushing with Lemon juice is BAD. It makes your teeth whiter at first because it breaks down the composition of your teeth…first the stained layer, then the regular layers of enamel until you are getting them pulled. I would suggest only using lemon juice when brushing for a short time, and very sparingly!

The reason that lemon juice “works” is that it causes the teeth to lose calcium (which gives teeth some of their off-white color). Calcium is a major component of healthy teeth, and once it is lost, your teeth become very susceptible to decay. DO NOT use lemon juice for whitening. If you choose to brush with strawberries, be sure to brush your teeth IMMEDIATELY afterwards with fluoride toothpaste and also FLOSS. The sugar and acid in the strawberry will harm your teeth more than it will help if you don’t immediately brush your teeth with regular toothpaste. Also be cautious of brushing too vigorously as the strawberry seeds could damage the gums (or even the teeth).”

So it appears that brushing after the lemon soak is BAD, due to softening of enamel. Better to basify mouth with tums or milk, but DON’T swallow base to prevent affecting stomach contents, THEN brush. Probably best to not soak at all.

Placebo effect:
As set is so vital to the experience, a strong desire for this to work would likely manifest a placebo effect. I probably ALWAYS manifest a placebo effect because I am so looking forward to my forthcoming experience that as soon as I detect the slightest tingle I dive into it, ‘reaching’ with my mind into the experience with relish, anticipation, gusto, and zeal. I often report alerts well before others (but NEVER at 5 to 7 minutes on ANY dose, earliest was 11min with 5 grams). This led me to think I may be ‘cancelling out’ the placebo effect since it is always present and therefore it’s effect is negligible within a comparison. For example, if I always ‘placebo alert’ at 12-20 minutes, then a ‘placebo alert’ at 5-7minutes might not be a placebo effect at all. My experience is based on at least 200 mushroom trips over the last 17 years (among other things).

Theoretical Musings:
The acidic juice at room temp or above causes dephosphorylation of psilocybin to psilocin in vitro during soak, and also allows the psilocin to go into solutuion as a salt (this part is a given). Theory: as a salt, psilocin can be absorbed sublingually possibly accelerated by the body’s active transport of Vitamin C into the blood. Once in the blood (which is alkaline) the salt likely changes again to a form that crosses the Blood-Brain Barrier. This change might take some time, accounting for the rapid step-up felt at about +60 minutes and also accounting for rapid step-down once metabolized since the entire dose was absorbed rapidly and would therefore depart rapidly (strangely enough, psilocin is excreted in urine unchanged chemically, so is it “metabolized” or simply flushed out??)

Supporting quotes: “After ingestion, psilocybine is dephosphorylated to psilocine, which then evokes psychotropic effects, and is subsequently excreted substantially unaltered in the urine.” (several citations in Ott, 1996)

And “Psilocine by itself will produce identical effects and, lacking the inactive phosphoryl group of psilocybine, is about 1.4 times the potency- that is, it has equimolar potentcy.” (Wolbach et.al. 1962B, Ott 1996)

The above quote is intriguing and lends support to a theory of potentiation as well as an increase in rapidity of ingestion using the lemon juice, which a large number of anecdotal reports opine. Chemically, you are boosting potency 1.4 times, add to that a placebo effect and the 2X-3X reports make sense.

Conclusions:
This works, and is just the beginning of a series of 1000 tests I intend to conduct as soon as possible. It’s almost a new drug experience. I will be tinkering with delivery methods (lollipops, lemon AID, DMSO, etc.) that might help with the tooth issue (a lollipop is better than a straight lemon soak I think, plus you might could keep a low-level buzz all night if you lick it slowly and you could take one anywhere!!). An impression I was left with after my experience plus reading numerous anecdotes from other sites is that there might be a logarithmic curve to effects at increasing dosages. A third of a gram made for a great time, and people
reporting using this with 1,2,3, and up to 4 grams report stronger and stronger effects out of synch with the curve I’d expect if comparing straight dry doses. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND this experiment.

To the discoverer/poster of this discovery: :cool: and :bow:

TVC

¡chin chínnnnnnn!

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¿Nos ofrecen los enteógenos un pasaporte a otros Mundos que también están en Este?

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Creo recordar que fue en la mítica ya entrada sobre Matrix donde saqué de paseo esta simpatiquísima figura —y si no, en otra entrada similar, la de los fractales, creo—.

Pues bien, desde entonces (muchos años ha), ya no me acordaba de su existencia, hasta que he dado con estas Variedades de Calabi-Yau:

La whiskypedia dice así:

“Las variedades de Calabi-Yau son importantes en la teoría de supercuerdas. En los modelos de supercuerdas más convencionales, diez dimensiones conjeturales en la teoría de cuerdas se suponen devenir las cuatro de las cuales estamos enterados, y llevan una cierta clase de fibrado con dimensión seis de la fibra. La compactificación en variedades de Calabi-Yau es importante porque deja algo de la supersimetría original intacta. Más exactamente, la compactificación en un Calabi-Yau de tres dimensiones (la dimensión real es 6) deja un cuarto de la supersimetría original intacta.

Las variedades de Calabi-Yau (en honor a Eugenio Calabi, de la Universidad de Pensilvania y Shing-Tung Yau, de Harvard, ambos matemáticos) se presentan de miles de formas diferentes. Están relacionadas con la teoría de supercuerdas y ofrecen las representaciones matemáticas de las posibles dimensiones “espaciales” adicionales a las tres macroscópicas que percibimos y que se encuentran arrolladas en distancias semejantes a la de Planck (distancias inimaginables con la tecnología actual y posiblemente para siempre). Las formas típicas de las variedades Calabi-Yau contienen unos agujeros en forma de rosquilla, los cuales pueden contener en sí mismos varias dimensiones adicionales (agujeros multidimensionales). Estos agujeros desempeñan un papel importantísimo en el estado oscilatorio de energía mínima de las partículas elementales (teóricamente cuerdas).

Actualmente, los físicos teóricos que defienden la teoría de cuerdas dedican todos sus esfuerzos a comprender la variedad de Calabi-Yau que se desprende de las complicadísimas matemáticas a las que conduce la teoría. Se cree que, una vez conocida la variedad de Calabi-Yau, se comprenderán los estados de vibración de esos estados de energía llamadas cuerdas y con ello resolver preguntas como: ¿Por qué existen en la naturaleza tres familias distintas de partículas elementales y por qué éstas presentan las características que muestran los experimentos (masa, espín, carga eléctrica)?”

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variedad_de_Calabi-Yau

Acojonante sí o sí, ¿verdad?

Pues bien, resulta que por lo que me han llamado la atención poderosísimamente es porque son absolutamente similares a la inextricable danza de patrones fractales que yo vi durante mi experiencia con hongos.

A saber:

 

Al margen de muchísimas otras cosas que experimenté durante la experiencia, lo que me dejó completamente knockeado fue el hecho de que aquellas Variedades de Calabi-Yau danzantes, que emanaban de la punta de mis dedos, como si fuese yo quien estuviese confeccionando el infinitamente complejo tejido del Multiverso se sentían TAN REALES que yo mismo, pasada la experiencia, me repetía una y otra vez que NO era posible que mi “mente”, mi “cerebro”, mi “imaginación” hubiese sido capaz de crear esas formas geométricas TAN perfectas. Lo cual, COMO ES LÓGICO, me hizo sospechar que aquí pasaba algo. Es decir, la experiencia fue un desbordamiento de

SENTIDO.

Todo era demasiado Real. Más Real que la propia “realidad” del día a día.

Y ese algo a lo mejor y sólo a lo mejor signifique que los enteógenos, en su grandiosidad, nos permitan acceder a esos otros Mundos que también están en Este.

Por cierto, uno de vosotros me ha compartido que el Imperial College of London acaba de inaugurar el Primer Centro para la exploración con Psicodélicos del mundo.

Y, parece ser, que van a utilizar la ayahuasca para explorar la naturaleza última de la “Realidad S.A.”. Con. dos. cojones.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/190994/imperial-launches-worlds-first-centre-psychedelics/

 

 

Tridimensional representation of a quadridimensional Calabi-Yau manifold (Représentation tridimensionnelle d’une variété quadridimensionnelle de Calabi-Yau)

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Estudio de la Universidad de Liverpool encuentra que los diagnósticos psiquiátricos son un sinsentido científico.

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Qué sentimiento de impotencia, joder, qué impotencia…
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Los investigadores concluyen que los diagnósticos psiquiátricos son inútiles para identificar enfermedades mentales concretas.

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Los principales descubrimientos son:
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  • 1. Todos los diagnósticos psiquiátricos utilizan diferentes reglas de toma de decisiones.
  • 2. Hay muchos solapamientos de síntomas.
  • 3. Casi todos los diagnósticos enmascaran el papel de los traumas y de los acontecimientos adversos.
  • 4. Los diagnósticos nos dicen poco acerca del paciente individual y qué tratamiento necesitan.

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El sistema es SUBJETIVO en cuanto a determinar lo que es

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“NORMAL”.

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Artículo científico gracias a Sci-hub.se: sci-hub.se/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165

Kate Allsopp, John Read, Rhiannon Corcoran, Peter Kinderman. Heterogeneity in psychiatric diagnostic classification. Psychiatry Research, 2019; 279: 15 DOI: dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.psychres.2019.07.005

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YouTube prohíbe todos los vídeos sobre hacking y phishing.

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A mí me toca directamente, pues estoy preparando el OSCP y el material educativo que hay en YouTube muchas veces no se encuentra en ninguna otra parte.

Actualizaron de forma nada transparente sus políticas el 5 de Abril de 2019 y se va descubriendo ahora que las están empezando a aplicar.

Específicamente lo hicieron así:

“Instructional hacking and phishing: Showing users how to bypass secure computer systems or steal user credentials and personal data.”

Fuente: https://web.archive.org/web/20190405094852/https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801964?hl=en

 

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Cierto que es una empresa privada y puede hacer y deshacer a su antojo. Nada en contra de ello: lo suyo sería crear zonas autónomas temporales, comunes para gestionar recursos limitados, pero la infraestructura y los recursos necesarios para ello sobrepasan por muchos órdenes de magnitud lo disponible. Eso por no hablar de la tragedia de los comunes.

Ahora bien, cuando vas viendo cómo poco a poco la libertad de expresión va quedando cada vez más y más reducida a escombros por nuestra seguridad (para lo cual es aconsejable crear enemigos invisibles) o por la autocensura (dado el linchamiento al que uno puede verse sometido en una sociedad policorrectista).

Hoy me joden a mí. Pero es que poquito a poquito nos están jodiendo a todos… Nos está quedando una distopía la mar de mona.

Acordáos de esta Era porque de aquí a 10 añitos a la red no la va a reconocer ni San Abraxas bendito. Al tiempo.

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P.D.: otiáaaa, me acabo de acordar… ¡corro a bajarme todos los vídeos del canal de IppSec!

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